Hannah Ingram-Moore roasted by Rob Rinder and Kate Garraway

Rob Rinder and Kate Garraway ‘exposed’ a few home truths to the daughter of the late honourable Sir Tom…

Yesterday on Good Morning Britain, the daughter of Captain Sir Thomas Moore, Hannah Ingram-Moore joined hosts Rob Rinder and Kate Garraway for her first live TV interview since The Charity Commission found her guilty of mismanaging her father’s foundation.

Discussing the rumours about how Hannah reportedly requested a six figure salary to run her father’s foundation, Hannah said: “I didn’t ask or demand. I was asked what I was earning and I told them what I was earning. This was the charity who asked me. There was no demand, there was no I won’t do it unless you pay me that. In the end, it was a negotiation.” 

Rob asked: “How much exactly was that salary? We can find it out. It’s very important because you have a book about loss and grief and part of facing grief is to be honest and truthful about it.” 

Hannah replied: “What I was offered and accepted in the end was £85,000. In fact, my role could only ever last for nine months. I was employed for three months at a time for a maximum of nine months, so all I earned was about £60,000.” 

Rob added: “There might be people at home looking at this, realising that none of that advance went to the foundation, realising that spa block had to be pulled down, realising that you took £18,000 to judge an award; they may be looking at this Hannah thinking the thing about Hannah Ingram-Moore is that she has no shame. Do you?” 

Hannah responded: “When I look back at the last five years, we know that we own the truth, and what I can’t do is sit here and persuade everyone to believe our reality.” 

Promoting her new book: Grief: Public Face, Private Loss, which tackles the pain of losing her father whilst navigating public and media scrutiny, Hannah told Rob and Kate why she decided to write it and how she hopes it will be received.

Hannah said: “My mother died a very long slow death from dementia which is why my father moved in with us in the first place… We probably buried the loss of her because my father moved in and we lived this incredible multi generational life, it was truly magical. Of course then he died in a very very public way and we understood that the world was grieving for him, not just us, and as I walk around there are many people that come up and talk to me about my father and the loss in their life, so I realised that so many people weren’t able to discuss loss.” 

“As those negative headlines swelled and we lost control of any sense of the truth, we know that the truth sits here, but I was looking out and seeing the lie being much more interesting than the truth that sat behind it. So I had to bury my own grief.” 

Rob Rinder asked: “One of the multiple reasons that you was disqualified for running a charity for 10 years and that The Charity Commission found the foundation guilty of misconduct and mismanagement was that amongst other things in this book, your dad’s book, you received a £1.5 million advance and you made clear, and it was very specific that sales of the book would go and be in support of the foundation… How much of that money actually ended up in the foundation?” 

Hannah responded: “Going back to five years ago, the book contract was between my father and the publisher.” 

Rob continued to question: “So if I had that contract here, under my desk, from the publisher, I would find his signature on it? Just to be clear, not in your signature? And I tell you why before you answer; the publisher said that you signed that contract.” 

Hannah replied: “He signed the contract with Penguin Random House and then I signed to say where the money was going on his behalf. He was alive and he decided. It never said anywhere where sales would go, not from us. We agreed that it would support the launch of the charity and the money from that book revenue did support the launch.” 

Rob asked again: “So your signature is on that deal, making clear where that money would go and it would go to the foundation…Again, how much ended up in the foundation?” 

Hannah responded: “First and foremost, there was never any contract with the charity ever. The charity was never going to get a specific amount… I don’t think that it’s helpful for anyone [to give a figure] because every time there is a number it just gets banded around as another headline.” 

Rob asked: “Five thousand? Ten Thousand?” 

Hannah replied: “Tens of thousands went in.” 

Rob also asked about the Captain Tom Experience which was set up with memorabilia on her father’s behalf, and why Hannah felt it necessary to “have a jacuzzi on that experience”. Hannah replied: “The building as we all know doesn’t exist anymore, it’s gone. It’s taken down. So what is there left to talk about? It’s gone and it’s history.” 

Explaining how the public feel betrayed, and how they feel like Hannah betrayed her father, Kate asked: “What is the truth… You’ve said your deepest regret is that a charity was set up in his name. What do you even mean by that because that was absolutely what you wanted , wasn’t it?” 

Hannah replied: “When you look back to that dark time of Covid, we as a family were in the same position as everybody else. We said to my father, ‘why don’t you walk up and down a hundred times and we will give you a pound a lap’, and that’s what is being forgotten.” 

Kate added: “It’s being forgotten I think because people feel you’ve done something to damage the legacy. No one forgets his spirit but something went wrong, either terrible mismanagement or the accusations from The Charity Commissioner that there was sort of wilful mismanagement. Did you just get carried away? Or what happened? What was your truth?” 

Hannah responded: “There was no wilful mismanagement. There was no will to do anything but support the legacy. My father was there with us and my father was there when we said ‘How can we continue this legacy? How can we allow people to touch this for a lifetime?’ and then that was when a friend of ours said ‘Why don’t you set up a charity?’ and we didn’t go away and set it up, other people set it up.” 

Rob went on to ask what her father would think about her taking £80,000 and the £1.5 million which was kept: “Do you think that’s what he would have wanted? A man who won and captivated the hearts of the British public? Who was knighted by the Queen?” 

Hannah replied: “He lived with us and we were all equal. We didn’t think of him as a diminished older man, he was paid that money as an advance and he decided where it went. So we didn’t take it, he was paid it. And not a penny was received by him or us once those books went on sale.” 

Kate added: “So he wanted the Jacuzzi? Is that what you’re getting at?” 

Hannah responded: “Charity money didn’t pay for the building or the hot tub. It was our personal money on our land.” 

Rob continued: “Why did you leave the foundation’s name on your planning application? You simply didn’t need to do that if he left you £1.5 million… Did you lie on your planning permission?” 

Hannah: “No. We didn’t ever intend for it to say the foundation’s name, ever…. we [signed it], so we always say it was an error. It should not have had the foundation on it, but that building had all the memorabilia in it, it was for legacy, but it’s gone.” 

Rob closed the interview by saying: “The 1.5 million pound publishing deal that you said yesterday your father signed, it turns out today that you signed it – that’s a mistruth. The fact that you built a spa block which was supposed to be in memory of him, £18,000 for judging, £2000 going to the charity and the fact that you’ve been banned for 10 years after it was clear that everything that was done was misleading, it seems, and the foundation mismanaged.

“It’s not only not a good look but it seems to many people that that’s a rather tragic and sad end to a wonderful legacy. Although many people will wish you the best of luck with that book nevertheless.” 

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